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		<title>By: Pete</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Eric, 

If you&#039;re using plywood you have nothing to worry about - ply won&#039;t move! So either of your solutions will work. Option 1 (the imposed/inset kempas) would be simplest.

The panel-in-groove solution is designed to get around wood movement issues because you don&#039;t glue the panel - it floats in the grooves and can move as it likes. If you&#039;re using solid wood (as opposed to plywood) the only tricky bit is sizing the panel - you want it of a size that if it shrinks or expands a little, the grooves can accomodate that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Eric, </p>
<p>If you&#8217;re using plywood you have nothing to worry about &#8211; ply won&#8217;t move! So either of your solutions will work. Option 1 (the imposed/inset kempas) would be simplest.</p>
<p>The panel-in-groove solution is designed to get around wood movement issues because you don&#8217;t glue the panel &#8211; it floats in the grooves and can move as it likes. If you&#8217;re using solid wood (as opposed to plywood) the only tricky bit is sizing the panel &#8211; you want it of a size that if it shrinks or expands a little, the grooves can accomodate that.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 12:07:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey Pete, thanks for your comment and advice. Yeah, I think I&#039;m still stumbling through my noviceness as I work through these issues. Now I&#039;ve already glued up the sapwood pieces to the outer edge pieces, so your second suggestion wouldn&#039;t work. But here are a couple ideas, and tell me what you think:

1. Glue a piece of plywood in the middle (would that give me any problems?) and then on top of that (and on the underside), glue a very thin resawed piece of kempas. Maybe chamfer the edges down to meet the surface. I might have to glue another layer of wood inside the mitered edges first, so that my very thin inlay doesn&#039;t get covered up.
2. If gluing plywood to the edges is still dangerous in terms of wood movement, I could try to route a groove in the inside edges (I do have a mini router plane) and have the aforementioned piece of plywood fit into there. I suppose if I do that, as you&#039;ve suggested, there could potentially be a bit of looseness in cool/dry climates? (I&#039;m in hot humid here.)

If gluing the plywood would work, I&#039;d rather do that since routing a groove would be yet another step in this process. Although it&#039;s all in the name of getting experience so I shouldn&#039;t complain.

Let me know what you think!
Eric]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Pete, thanks for your comment and advice. Yeah, I think I&#8217;m still stumbling through my noviceness as I work through these issues. Now I&#8217;ve already glued up the sapwood pieces to the outer edge pieces, so your second suggestion wouldn&#8217;t work. But here are a couple ideas, and tell me what you think:</p>
<p>1. Glue a piece of plywood in the middle (would that give me any problems?) and then on top of that (and on the underside), glue a very thin resawed piece of kempas. Maybe chamfer the edges down to meet the surface. I might have to glue another layer of wood inside the mitered edges first, so that my very thin inlay doesn&#8217;t get covered up.<br />
2. If gluing plywood to the edges is still dangerous in terms of wood movement, I could try to route a groove in the inside edges (I do have a mini router plane) and have the aforementioned piece of plywood fit into there. I suppose if I do that, as you&#8217;ve suggested, there could potentially be a bit of looseness in cool/dry climates? (I&#8217;m in hot humid here.)</p>
<p>If gluing the plywood would work, I&#8217;d rather do that since routing a groove would be yet another step in this process. Although it&#8217;s all in the name of getting experience so I shouldn&#8217;t complain.</p>
<p>Let me know what you think!<br />
Eric</p>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 11:31:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey Eric, nice design!

But there are two problems, I think.  First, as you&#039;ve discovered, sizing the panel to fit is tricky. Second, if you simply glue the panel in there you&#039;re risking issues with wood movement: if your panel is as dry as it&#039;s ever going to be, increased humidity will expand it and either bow the panel, or force your mitred corners apart. If it&#039;s at greater moisture content than (say) the air-conditioned interior of your home, the panel may well shrink, splitting at the weakest point, or pulling away from the edges leaving unsightly gaps!

The age-old solution is the floating panel (as in cupboard doors). Cut a groove in the frame pieces, size the panel to fit; the groove gives a bit of &#039;wriggle room&#039; if you get the sizing a little wrong.

But the way you designed the frame gives you another option. Split the sapwood pieces in two along their length. Fix the top-most pieces. Then fit the panel. Then fix the panel by using the bottom lengths of sapwood to trap the panel. I&#039;d guess this is how you&#039;d have to do it if you went with your mirror idea (or think of glass windows in a multi-panel door).

I&#039;m not much further along the learning curve than you when it comes to handtools (or woodworking in general, actually). But I think these sorts of issues are what make handtool working trickier. The normites would just run the frames through their router tables for the groove; a few quick cuts on the table saw to size the panel, and voila!... a perfect fit.

Hope this rambling makes some kind of sense!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Eric, nice design!</p>
<p>But there are two problems, I think.  First, as you&#8217;ve discovered, sizing the panel to fit is tricky. Second, if you simply glue the panel in there you&#8217;re risking issues with wood movement: if your panel is as dry as it&#8217;s ever going to be, increased humidity will expand it and either bow the panel, or force your mitred corners apart. If it&#8217;s at greater moisture content than (say) the air-conditioned interior of your home, the panel may well shrink, splitting at the weakest point, or pulling away from the edges leaving unsightly gaps!</p>
<p>The age-old solution is the floating panel (as in cupboard doors). Cut a groove in the frame pieces, size the panel to fit; the groove gives a bit of &#8216;wriggle room&#8217; if you get the sizing a little wrong.</p>
<p>But the way you designed the frame gives you another option. Split the sapwood pieces in two along their length. Fix the top-most pieces. Then fit the panel. Then fix the panel by using the bottom lengths of sapwood to trap the panel. I&#8217;d guess this is how you&#8217;d have to do it if you went with your mirror idea (or think of glass windows in a multi-panel door).</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not much further along the learning curve than you when it comes to handtools (or woodworking in general, actually). But I think these sorts of issues are what make handtool working trickier. The normites would just run the frames through their router tables for the groove; a few quick cuts on the table saw to size the panel, and voila!&#8230; a perfect fit.</p>
<p>Hope this rambling makes some kind of sense!</p>
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